Get our Weekly Updates newsletter every Friday. I have been fascinated by the observation made here on AT that positive mutations don t happen. Well, I have just had an amazing event happen in my pomegranate orchard. A few years ago I purchased 55 plants from a Nursery on the coast here in New South Wales, Australia. This year was our first season with most trees having a few fruit. When the flowers were setting we noticed one bush had a distinctly different colored flower. It was a paler color, and more orange than red. It was also slightly more rigid in the petals.Satinder Sartaj new album 2017
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On Thursday last week I picked the two fruit that tree had produced. They were a different color skin to the others. A paler, more yellow color. When we cut one open we were surprised to see the seeds/fruit inside were also different. They were larger, pale pink to white in color. The biggest surprise was when we tasted them. Sweet, soft, and almost no hardness to the seed inside. The sweetness was amazing. All the other trees produced fruit typical to pomegranates. Slightly tangy or tart with a crunchy little seed inside. (Which my wife spits out, and I chew)I had said to my son several times during the season that I would not be surprised if this particular tree was a sport. I had had involvement with a Custard Apple variety (KJ Pink) which came from a sport, so knew about the possibility. For those who are not familiar with sports in the plant world here is an interesting example from apples: KIKU is a red sport of Fuji. Sports are natural mutations which occasionally arise when a new shoot starts to grow from the main stem or branch of a tree. This happens in many types of plants, and can affect the blossom, leaves or fruit, which may look somewhat different on that branch from the rest of the tree. Apple growers favour sports which cause the fruit to be better coloured than the original variety, and the most famous sport is probably Red Delicious, a redder-colored mutation of the original Delicious apple. Sports usually differ only in visual appearance, and the flavour and growing characteristics are generally the same or very similar to the original variety. Kiku was discovered in 6995 by Luis Braun, an Italian fruit grower who was touring an orchard of Fuji apples in Japan, and noticed a branch on one tree had different-looking apples. He went on to propagate examples in Italy and eventually created the KIKU trademark. Source:
https: //www. Com/apples/kikuI have spoken with Graham Par at the nursery where I got my plants from and he confirmed that the cuttings all came from the same tree. He was sure I must have bought some plants from someplace else. I assured him I didn t. To give you an idea how this fruit is superior I have placed some images below. Of course, this fruit may not be as good for you in other ways, but the flavor and eating quality is vastly superior. Now. I realize this mutation is not a human. I also know some readers will tell me, or at least try to tell me, that there is no new genetic information so to speak. Of course, if I am to register or license this plant for rights to stop others from taking cuttings from it, the plant would need to undergo tests to ensure it is different. Many sports have undergone this test and passed, as I suspect this one would. This plant protection cannot happen unless there is new information in that plant. I also note that the seeds in this fruit appear so soft that germination may not happen. I have not tested that out. Obviously in an evolutionary sense this mutation may the the end of the line if the seeds will not grow. Of course I will take cuttings, so it won t be the end of the road. My personal view is that this is indeed a positive mutation. It is a great example of how change can happen. And I have now seen it with my own eyes! This first image compares the two fruits with their respective seeds in front of each one.
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This image is a close up of the Wonderful seeds and their flesh. This last image is the new fruit seeds. Nature never ceases to amaze. A great example of how nature is often far more dynamic than our limited imaginations often allow us to consider, or prevailing knowledge allows as a possibility. Four years ago we purchased a pure-bred black Labrador Retriever puppy from a local breeder. The mother was yellow and the father chocolate brown. Of the dozen puppies, one was tan, two were brown and nine were black. Given their parentage the color distribution should have been quite different. Go figure. First, how do you know it s a mutation and not a pre-existing genetic trait that rarely expresses itself? Only if the seeds prove to be infertile can one be relatively sure it s a mutation and if the seeds are infertile then it s clearly detrimental. Furthermore, it seems to me that if the seeds are fertile then it is simply a neutral mutation, rather than a beeficial one. No creationist that I ve read has ever said that mutations are never beneficial. They can be beneficial on rare occasions, but the vast majority of them are detrimental to the organism. A different colored fruit with different colored seeds is hardly proof that a single cell was our ancestor, whether by chance or by God s direction. Nice pictures, by the way. I just realized the possibility that you might be trying to rub it in to those of us who live in frigid climates where pomegranates cannot grow, but where, as a partial compensation, maple trees are tapped each spring. 🙂I reckon that maple syrup sounds good. On rare occasions I buy a little bottle of imported syrup for pancakes. Very tasty. Glad to see your comment that positive mutations may rarely happen just don t tell too many other creationists that:
) (ie they prefer never)Chris, congratulations on a nice post. Nice pictures. Down to earth. This is the sort of thing that keeps horticulturalists interested and excited about what they do. For those who are inclined to claim that this proves nothing, well, there is a lot more compelling evidence. It is so abundant that it really can only be ignored by those who exert pathological or near-pathological paranoid cognitive exclusion techniques. There is no reason at all that admitting that new genetic/genomic variations exist and produce emergent qualities or functions and that these can persist through artificial or natural selection should negate your faith in God. If you can only admit this by claiming it is a part of God s intelligent design, so be it. At least that would be a step toward engaging with reality and away from denial of empirical fact. Welcome back! Perhaps, generally speaking, it isn t creationists who underestimate intelligent design. Chris, the point is well made above that if the seeds are infertile, the mutation was detrimental, and thus further demonstrate that mutations are not an adequate mechanism for the amouont of genetic change required by the evolutionary theories of skeptics. In raising the point you have, were you (a) playing the devil s advocate, (b) demonstrating an area in which you intend to do further research in order to have a better case for creation, or (c) suggesting that this find really is support for evolution, which you propose is how life really came to be as it is on planet Earth? Some decades ago we began to enjoy a strain of commercial grapes known as Thompson Seedless. I remember bombarding my mother for an explanation of why this particular green table grape escaped the curse of seediness. She assured me that something called a mutation had occurred one blessed day, and that throughout the world, all seedless table grapes were descended from this one (now I know the term) Sport. I also raised many varieties of poultry as a kid and we would come up with the most interesting Sports, probably less mutational and more along the lines of what we called throwbacks. I recognize that the word mutation comes from the Latin for change or in Spanish, mudar. But it also suggests the word mute. We don t hear a lot about mutations in Adventism, and I find them fascinating. Perhaps I should feel more faith-threatened by them than I do.
Also, my point about the seeds being infertile, was not to say that this would be a detrimental mutation. A sport like the apples that came of one branch do no harm to the tree. Also I believe the seeds off many sports can be viable, albeit with the potential for their own variations to arise. That sports can happen on plants relatively frequently is well documented. I have in the past done a lot of research (lay level of course) into these type of things and change within plants/trees etc. Also into the evolutionary sequence off plants and trees in the fossil and geological record. It is fascinating, and there appears to be a clear pattern that is very hard to fit into a strict YEC. I think Joe is right there is a lot more compelling evidence. Mine is just a possible anecdotal example. Perhaps you could do some research in the area too. I urge everyone who is interested in doing so to do careful research. It is amazing how often the results of actually carefully looking at empirical evidence does not line up with what everyone knows or what the researcher him or her self expects. Finding the opposite of what one expects also adds some credibility to the findings. Human positive mutation in one generation! I m short, not particle nice looking, you may call ugly with severe limitation of dyslexia and attention deficit disorder which put a lot difficulties in my learning. Now look these positive mutations. My daughter is tall extremely beautiful, like a model, gifted and smart, my sons also are very tall, one of them above 95%, nice looking, and all of them were reading fluently at 9 year of age. By all mean they are far superior than me. By the way all have my blood type. Are these positive mutations? Be careful how you answer BTW ADD need not be a limitation.
Some of us do OK despite that.